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Okay, let's start with Icebreakers. Uh what is your favorite song that reminds you of your childhood when you were a young boy?
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mpoomy
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Okay, let's start with Icebreakers. Uh what is your favorite song that reminds you of your childhood when you were a young boy?
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Uh the last one, what's the best advice you received on fatherhood?
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mpoomy
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Uh the last one, what's the best advice you received on fatherhood?
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So dad, today's questions are going to be quite, we'll talk a bit about your personal role with fatherhood, but I just also want to talk about fatherhood in general. But growing up, I think when you were a child,
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mpoomy
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So dad, um today's questions are going to be quite, we'll talk a bit about your personal role with fatherhood, but I just also want to talk about fatherhood in general. But growing up, I think when you were a child,
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the way you interacted with your father is different to the way you interacted with us and different to the way Brendan fathers, right?
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mpoomy
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The way you interacted with your father is different to the way you interacted with us and different to the way Brendan fathers, right?
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your father, how you fathered, and then seeing how you are with your grandchildren.
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mpoomy
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your father, how you fathered, and then seeing how you are with your grandchildren.
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Oh my gosh. But did you know that, did you ever think they're in love, that your parents are in love, or you always thought, umama, u baba, finish in class?
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mpoomy
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Oh my gosh. But did you know that, did you ever think they're in love, that your parents are in love, or you always thought, umama, ubaba, finish and klaar?
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Yeah. But I must say, and you say, Witty, you struggle to love your children. I don't think so.
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mpoomy
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Yeah. But I must say, and you say, Witty, you struggle to love your children. I don't think so.
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And wow, when all the grandkids have taken out a different side of you, where I think it's becoming easier. But I've never grown up thinking, oh, my dad doesn't show love. I just.
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mpoomy
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And wow, when all the grandkids have taken out a different side of you, where I think it's becoming um, easier. But I've never grown up thinking, oh, my dad doesn't show love. I just.
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I just think you showed love differently through your words.
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mpoomy
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I just think you showed love differently through your words.
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Uh dad, there was a day, I don't know if you remember it, right?
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mpoomy
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Uh, Dad, there was a day, I don't know if you remember it, right?
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I was in primary, and I think you were driving either a Mahindra.
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mpoomy
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I was in primary, and I think you were driving either a Mahindra.
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Was it the Vantam? Yeah, you were driving the Vantab. And you said to me, and we were so young, and I don't know why you said it, and you said to me, and I'm going to be a millionaire.
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mpoomy
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Was it the Vantam? Yeah, you were driving the Vantab. And you said to me, and we were so young, and I don't know why you said it, and you said to me, and I'm going to be a millionaire.
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And when you struggle, I mean, I think your journey is so long, but you've like gone through some hectic setbacks.
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mpoomy
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And when you struggled, I mean, I think your journey is so long, but you've like gone through some hectic setbacks.
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And I think if I had a foundation like yours and I came across some of the setbacks you came across, I would have gone and got a job and just settled in my life, but you never did.
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mpoomy
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And I think if I had a foundation like yours and I came across some of the setbacks you came across, I would have gone and got a job and just settled in my life, but you never did.
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So I, whenever I do speaking engagements, right? People always ask me, how are you so confident and like do the things that you do?
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mpoomy
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So I, whenever I do speaking engagements, right? Um, people always ask me, how are you so confident and like do the things that you do?
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And one of the things I always say is that my parents never raised me. So let me start you.
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mpoomy
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And one of the things I always say is that my parents never raised me. So, let me start you.
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So a lot of girls, right, and women my age, when the conversation happens, people say like, oh no, a lot of women were raised to be someone's wife. Like as if like my goal in life is to be a wife, is to be a mother.
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mpoomy
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So a lot of girls, right, and women my age, when the conversation happens, people say like, oh no, a lot of women were raised to be someone's wife. Like as if like my goal in life is to be a wife, is to be a mother.
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And, you know, that's the goal. But I've never ever, I don't even think I've ever heard you say growing up, why aren't you washing dishes? What kind of wife are you going to be?
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mpoomy
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And, you know, that's the goal. But I've never ever, I don't even think I've ever heard you say growing up, why aren't you washing dishes? What kind of wife are you going to be?
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Chase our goals instead of saying, okay, the girls, you're raising them to get married, the boys, you're raising them to be leaders.
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mpoomy
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Chase our goals instead of saying, okay, the girls, you're raising them to get married, the boys, you're raising them to be leaders.
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Do you is there something um you wish that your parents would have given you as a foundation to make your future better?
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mpoomy
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Do you is there something um you wish that your parents would have given you as a foundation to make your future better?
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And I ask this because I think a lot of people have, they call it black tax. I don't like the word, but trying to work, but also you have to help your family out, right?
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mpoomy
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And I ask this because I think a lot of people have, they call it black tax. I don't like the word, but trying to work, but also you have to help your family out, right?
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I've never experienced that in that I think when I started working, you guys said, hey, we're fine.
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mpoomy
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I've never experienced that in that I think when I started working, you guys said, hey, we're fine.
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Black people, even black girls my age, there's that thing of ish, I have to help my parents. So, did you ever feel almost angry at your parents? That why am I in this position? Like, how do you balance?
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mpoomy
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Black people, even black girls my age, there's that thing of ish, I have to help my parents. So, did you ever feel almost angry at your parents? That why am I in this position? Like, how do you balance?
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I love them, but I wish you were there more. Like, how do you balance those two emotions?
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mpoomy
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I love them, but I wish you were there more. Like, how do you balance those two emotions?
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Okay. Um, so why didn't you say anything before when you knew?
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mpoomy
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Okay. Um, so why didn't you say anything before when you knew?
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Yeah. How did it make you feel when you've found out that you the f the man you thought is your father is not your father?
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mpoomy
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Yeah. How did it make you feel when you've found out that you the f- the man you thought is your father is not your father?
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Why is it so important for you to find your biological family?
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mpoomy
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Why is it so important for you to find your biological family?
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Yeah. Why do you think why do you think despite um people doing well um and yourself included and being loved and you were loved, your mother loved you as you said, why do you think it never goes away the need to know your father?
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mpoomy
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Yeah. Why do you think, why do you think despite um people doing well, um and yourself included, and being loved, and you were loved, your mother loved you as you said, why do you think it never goes away, the need to know your father?
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Yeah. And with Father's Day coming up, I mean, we write cards and it's cute and everything. But how do you, how do you feel on Father's Day? Are you able to just be in the moment that, oh, I'm so grateful that I have my children?
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mpoomy
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Yeah. And with Father's Day coming up, um, I mean, we write cards and it's cute and everything. But how do you, how do you feel on on Father's Day? Are you able to just be in the moment that, oh, I'm so grateful that I have my children?
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Or is there always that feeling of, oh, but what about me?
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mpoomy
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Or is there always that feeling of, oh, but what about me?
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And um when it comes to to legacy, um your legacy, what do you want us, your children, um, to remember you from? What do you what do you hope you pass on to us?
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mpoomy
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And um when it comes to legacy, um your legacy, what do you want us, your children, um, to remember you from? What do you what do you hope you pass on to us?
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Mhm. I get you. It's it's not just don't throw away to someone who hasn't earned it.
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mpoomy
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Mhm. I get you. It's not just don't throw away to someone who hasn't earned it.
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Um, in your business, we've all of your kids have worked for your business.
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mpoomy
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Um, in your business, we've all of your kids have worked for your business.
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hard work and shown us that it's possible to start your
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mpoomy
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hard work and shown us that it's possible to start your
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And you said to me, and I was young, and he was like, You see, I not that you're scared of white people, but for you, there's a level of.
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mpoomy
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And you said to me, and I was young, and he was like, You see, I not that you're scared of white people, but for you, there's a level of.
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you know that you are equal to them. And I never forgot that. And I think it's helped me a lot in my confidence that whichever room I enter in, I am just as good as everybody.
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mpoomy
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You know that you are equal to them. And I never forgot that. And I think it's helped me a lot in my confidence that whichever room I enter in, I am just as good as everybody.
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wall of wisdom is what do you want for young fathers to know, even the ones who've made some mistakes and maybe some who have left their children or the ones who are even present in their children's life, what do you want fathers to know?
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mpoomy
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wall of wisdom is what do you want for young fathers to know, even the ones who've made some mistakes and maybe some who have left their children, um, or the ones who are even present in their children's life, what do you want fathers to know?
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Like you guys are always asking for things. It reminded of when we were growing up and there would be like a cold drink or chips in the house or something. And we'd be like, Oh, dad, can I have?
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mpoomy
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Like you guys are always asking for things. It reminded me of when we were growing up and there would be like a cold drink or chips in the house or something. And we'd be like, Oh, dad, can I have?
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Yeah, no, but it's, I think it's taught us. I think you've done, um, you've taught us some really valuable lessons. Um, I cannot have, I'm not this person without you. When we, I was about four or five, I think you put me on stage for the first time.
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mpoomy
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Yeah, no, but it's, I think it's taught us. I think you've done, um, you've taught us some really valuable lessons. Um, I cannot have, I'm not this person without you. When we, I was about four or five, I think you put me on stage for the first time.
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Is when respect your mother and father so that your days can be added or lengthened.
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mpoomy
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is when respect your mother and father so that your days can be added or lengthened.
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Dad, but you have to read at some point before you turn 70, at least finish one book.
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mpoomy
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Dad, but you have to read at some point. Before you turn 70, at least finish one book.
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Okay, Dad promised that he'll read the day I write my book, he'll read my book.
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mpoomy
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Okay, Dad promised that he'll read the day I write my book, he'll read my book.
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Okay, now you're going to finish the sentence, neh? A wise woman. In fact, you can share words that your mother has left you with, the words that you will always remember by umanlov, uko control.
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mpoomy
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Okay, now you're going to finish the sentence, neh? A wise woman. In fact, you can share words that your mother has left you with, the words that you will always remember by umuntu lo, ukhohlwa.
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Thanks for this conversation. I think it was nice. I think it's going to help other kids who've never had a father's love.
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mpoomy
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Thanks for this uh conversation. I think it was nice. I think it's going to um help other kids who've never had a father's love.
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And I think it's going to help other fathers who don't know how to express themselves.
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mpoomy
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And I think it's going to help other fathers who don't know how to express themselves.
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And also it's going to help kids who've had parents who haven't been honest to them and just give that feeling of, yes, maybe you think you should forget about it, but you never, you know, the void doesn't go away. Like the need to know.
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mpoomy
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And also it's going to help kids who've had parents who haven't been honest to them and just give that feeling of, yes, maybe you think you should forget about it, but you never, you know, the void doesn't go away, like the need to know.
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And I had a shop and I made profit and then
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mpoomy
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And I had a shop and I made profit and then
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Um, speaking of chommy, why, um, why chomi and why be so honest in the way you,
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mpoomy
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Um, speaking of chommy, why, um, why chomi and why be so honest in the way you,
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um, I don't want to say deliver content because, like, I watch you, there's um TikTok you're doing where you're literally getting ready, and like you look like how I look, like your one t-shirt is on like this, and you're just going, but you're so comfortable,
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mpoomy
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Um, I don't want to say deliver content because, like, I watch you, there's um TikTok you're doing where you're literally getting ready, and like you look like how I look, like your one t-shirt is on like this, and you're just going, but you're so comfortable,
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I don't like how I look and I started having a problem with that and also with having children.
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mpoomy
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I don't like how I look and I started having a problem with that and also with having children.
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And at the time, my kids and I would play with filters. And then whenever we'd take a picture, she'd be like, Mommy, put that filter on. I'm like, this is not gonna end up well. So for me, it started with the filter.
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mpoomy
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And at the time, my kids and I would play with filters. And then whenever we'd take a picture, she'd be like, Mommy, put that filter on. I'm like, uh-uh, this is not gonna end up well. So for me, it started with the filter.
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Is that how you are now with your own life personally, or are you hoping it just translates? Like to just really be able to show up as yourself all the time?
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mpoomy
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Is that how you are now with your own life personally, or you are hoping it just translates, like to just really be able to show up as yourself all the time?
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your upbringing. I think we did touch a little bit about your upbringing in our last conversation, but I do want you to just go in a little more.
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mpoomy
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your upbringing. I think we did touch a little bit about your upbringing in our last conversation, but I do want you to just go in a little more.
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What about your upbringing has informed the way you show up? One as a woman, and I don't know if you've done one of those memes where you say, oh, I love being a girl or something like that. And it's like, it's the makeup and all of that.
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mpoomy
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What about your upbringing has informed the way you show up? One as a woman, and I don't know if you've done one of those memes where you say, oh, I love being a girl or something like that. And it's like, it's the makeup and all of that.
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But also as a mother. And I think you're so honest about those roles. What about your upbringing has informed how you show up?
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mpoomy
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But also as a mother. And I think you're so honest about those roles. What about your upbringing has informed how you show up?
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It sounds like a gift. It was. And I think I thank her every day for that. It sounds like a gift. And sometimes we like to idolize the word growth, becoming the best version of yourself. And we think it's going to come with a little.
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mpoomy
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It sounds like a gift. It was. And I thank her every day for that. It sounds like a gift. And sometimes we like to idolize the word growth, becoming best version of yourself. And we think it's going to come with a little.
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How did you, during your teenage years, when all of this is happening, I'm sure there's constant anxiety because of being held hostage, your parents not being in the same household. As a teenager, how did you find safety?
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mpoomy
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How did you, um, during your teenage years, when all of this is happening, I'm sure there's constant anxiety because of um being held hostage, um, your parents not being in the same household. As a teenager, how did you find safety?
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Because I think I can imagine how you could have easily rebelled in a way that could have taken your future, right?
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mpoomy
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Because I think I can imagine how you could have easily rebelled in a way that could have taken your future, right?
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Where you get to that point where you're 35 and you're like, okay, I've messed up. But I think you kind of figured it out quite soon, quite early. What do you think held that together?
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mpoomy
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Where you get to that point where you're 35 and you're like, okay, I've messed up. But I think you kind of figured it out quite soon, quite early. Where did, what do you think held that together?
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What gave you that level of safety that just because one, two happened doesn't mean my life is over?
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mpoomy
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What gave you that level of safety that just because one, two happened doesn't mean my life is over?
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and then there's the other side of my parents were too strict
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mpoomy
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and then there's the other side of my parents were too strict
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and it seems like it sounds like your parent your mom found a kind of a good balance that worked out so
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mpoomy
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and it seems like it sounds like your parent, your mom found a kind of a good balance that worked out. So,
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and so my under my my question to you really is what is a a i guess a better balance there's no perfect way of doing it but what's a better balance because i think we're speaking to teenage parents now
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mpoomy
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And so my my question to you really is what is a I guess a better balance? There's no perfect way of doing it, but what's a better balance because I think we're speaking to teenage parents now?
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the most of the group you work with, that's where you kind of identify that um a a a self of um a sense of self ide identity or understanding is not always prevalent, right?
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mpoomy
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the most of the group you work with, that's where you kind of identify that um a self of um a sense of self identity or understanding is not always prevalent, right?
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Wh what what do you think differentiates the child who
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mpoomy
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Wh what do you think differentiates the child who
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There's two points that you mentioned. Um the first one is engage.
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mpoomy
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There's two points that you mentioned. Um the first one is engage.
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identity and self-confidence is not because of what they achieve.
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mpoomy
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identity and self-confidence is not because of what they achieve.
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Love that. What inspired um it's Beats by Kaz, right?
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mpoomy
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Love that. What inspired, um, it's Beats by Kaz, right?
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We love jobies. And then the route you took, I guess it's also kind of tied now to everything you're sharing, but the route in your,
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mpoomy
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We love jobies. And then the route you took, I guess it's also kind of tied now to everything you're sharing, but the route in your,
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Cool. What's your morning routine? Like on a good day when you're just like, I am that girl. I am on TB.
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mpoomy
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Cool. What's your morning routine? Like on a good day when you're just like, I am that girl. I am on TV.
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Did you ever feel like I'm not Indian enough, but I'm also not black enough?
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mpoomy
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Did you ever feel like I'm not Indian enough, but I'm also not black enough?
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Yeah. And so and I'm glad you touched on your parents' divorce, right?
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mpoomy
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Yeah. And so, and I'm glad you touched on your parents' um, divorce, right?
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I think how how has divorce, how did your parents divorcing impact
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mpoomy
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I think how how has divorce, how did your parents divorcing impact
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Do you feel like you've and I was I was writing down something this morning, I was reading and I was reflecting and I realized that I think a lot of a lot of people, a lot of us struggle to live within.
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mpoomy
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Do you feel like you've and I was I was writing down something this morning, I was reading and I was reflecting and I realized that I think a lot of a lot of people, a lot of us struggle to live within.
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And I was just writing that I think the reason why we're struggling with our purpose and our meaning is because we are in survival mode. Like there's so we're dealing with pain and things that we have almost pushed aside, that there's no room.
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mpoomy
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And I was just writing that I think the reason why we're struggling with our purpose and our meaning is because we are in survival mode. Like there's so much we're dealing with pain and things that we have almost pushed aside, that there's no room.
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And now you've lived with someone who was sure of his gift.
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mpoomy
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And now you've lived with someone who was sure of his gift.
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For those of us who don't know, the extent of the role that you played in his rise and his growth and in his career. I mean, like you said, he started picking up right.
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mpoomy
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For those of us who don't know, the extent of the role that you played in his in his rise and his growth and in his career. I mean, like you said, he started picking up right.
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You don't have a child thinking you'll be a single parent.
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mpoomy
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You don't have a child thinking you'll be a single parent.
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So what happens now when the rug is pulled underneath your feet, one, as a partner in a business, two, as a parent and the person you made decisions with?
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mpoomy
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So what happens now when the rug is pulled underneath your feet, one, as a partner in a business, two, as a parent and the person you made decisions with?
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Um, Connie Ferguson, and I always reference this. She I loved how she described grief, and she said, she described grief like a wave.
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mpoomy
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Um, Connie Ferguson, and I always reference this. She I loved how she described grief, and she said, she described grief like a wave.
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So when it comes to joy, have you given yourself the permission to be happy or do you feel like you have to be stuck in a cycle of
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mpoomy
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So when it comes to joy, have you given yourself the permission to be happy or do you feel like you have to be stuck in a cycle of
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Sure, I love that. What a great opening. And so I want to actually get into your upbringing. How was it? I think you're in Dar es Salaam?
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mpoomy
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Sure, I love that. What a great opening. And so I want to actually get into your upbringing. Um, how was it? I think you're in Dar es Salaam?
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Yes. Yes. What was your upbringing like? And we're going to get into Navfeed, but did you see signs and patterns in your life that you would be in the biotech industry? Like what kind of a girl, woman were you growing up?
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mpoomy
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Yes. Yes. What was your upbringing like? And we're going to get into Navfeed, but did you see signs and patterns in your life that you would be in the biotech industry? Like what kind of a girl, woman were you growing up?
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Came from. Like, I know now, like in my garden, if I'm like cooking and I've got, like, I guess the bits, the waste from my veggies, I just throw them in my veggie garden.
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Came from. Like, I know now, like in my garden, if I'm like cooking and I've got like uh the bits, the waste from my veggies, I just throw them in my veggie garden.
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How does your protein feed compare to traditional fish meal? One, in terms of the cost, in terms of the impact on the farmers, and just environmentally, how does yours compare?
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mpoomy
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How does your protein feed compare to traditional fish meal? One, in terms of the cost, in terms of the impact on the farmers, and just environmentally, how does yours compare?
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Wow, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I think the work that you're doing is incredible. And my little understanding of aquaculture industry has been quite interesting. And to see you own that space with so much conviction is really exciting.
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mpoomy
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Wow, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I think the work that you're doing is incredible. And my little understanding of aquaculture um industry has been quite interesting. And to see you own that space um with so much conviction is really exciting.
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And yeah, I know you are excited. You just had a baby, I believe, and you're excited to teach her in the future.
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And yeah, I know you are excited. You just had a baby, I believe, and you're excited to teach her, um, in the future.
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So that tells a whole lot on how much we should focus on sustainability. Because, like you said, we might be gone tomorrow, but we have kids who still have to live here.
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So that tells a whole lot on how much we should focus on sustainability. Because, like you said, we might be gone tomorrow, but we have kids who still have to live here.
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And we're already feeling the effects of global warming from decisions that were made 10 years ago. So can you imagine if we don't change things now, what's going to happen for our children?
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And we're already feeling the effects of global warming from decisions that were made 10 years ago. So can you imagine if we don't change things now, what's going to happen for our children?
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90
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But I'm so glad we have people like you who are taking a step, who are a voice of change. And I wish you all the best in Northfeed and everything else you do.
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But I'm so glad we have people like you who are taking a step, who are a voice of change. And I wish you all the best um in Northfeed and everything else you do.
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91
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Let's get into our conversation. Who was the first person who believed in you?
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Let's get into our conversation. Who was the first person um who believed in you?
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92
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That was actually gonna be my follow-up question is that did you growing up, did you feel like I'm a special child?
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That was actually gonna be my follow-up question is that did you growing up, did you feel like I'm a special child?
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93
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Until my husband pointed it out and he said, But you're a special uh person.
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Until my husband pointed it out and he said, But you're a special uh person.
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94
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My fav one of my favourite stories to tell is when I was young in primary.
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My fav one of my favourite stories to tell is when I was young in primary.
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95
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I don't know how to describe it, but it was as if no one else mattered and you were.
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I don't know how to describe it, but it was as if no one else mattered and you were.
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You know I'm asking. 'Cause my dropout happened the exact same way as yours.
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You know I'm asking. 'Cause my dropout happened the exact same way as yours.
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97
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No no, she was supposed to be a nurse, but she was a principal.
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No no, she was supposed to be a nurse, but she was a principal.
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98
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I still am. I still am. But like now I listen to a bit of hip-hop. Like this morning I was listening to Most Deaf, and I was just like, okay, I like this one.
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I still am. I still am. But like now I listen to a bit of hip-hop. Like this morning I was listening to Mos Def, and I was just like, okay, I like this one.
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99
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You finally see me or was it just like, what is happening?
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You finally see me or was it just like, what is happening?
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Did you feel naked putting it out? Because I think when I looked at it, I'm like, okay, this guy's literally saying, I have a sex problem.
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Did you feel naked putting it out? Because I think when I looked at it, I'm like, okay, this guy's literally saying, I have a sex problem.
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